diff --git a/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform.C b/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform.C
index 8453d6f94a..a8b2f980ca 100644
--- a/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform.C
+++ b/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform/surfaceCoordinateSystemTransform.C
@@ -199,7 +199,6 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
         if (args.options().found("clean"))
         {
             surf.cleanup(true);
-            surf.checkOrientation(true);
         }
 
         if (fromCsys.valid())
diff --git a/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceMeshConvert/surfaceMeshConvert.C b/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceMeshConvert/surfaceMeshConvert.C
index a907c7208c..0f18b5ac86 100644
--- a/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceMeshConvert/surfaceMeshConvert.C
+++ b/applications/utilities/surface/surfaceMeshConvert/surfaceMeshConvert.C
@@ -104,13 +104,19 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
     {
         triSurface surf(importName);
 
+        Info<< "Read surface:" << endl;
+        surf.writeStats(Info);
+        Info<< endl;
+
         if (args.options().found("clean"))
         {
+            Info<< "Cleaning up surface" << endl;
             surf.cleanup(true);
-            surf.checkOrientation(true);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
         }
 
-        Info << "writing " << exportName;
+        Info<< "writing " << exportName;
         if (scaleFactor <= 0)
         {
             Info<< " without scaling" << endl;
@@ -119,6 +125,8 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
         {
             Info<< " with scaling " << scaleFactor << endl;
             surf.scalePoints(scaleFactor);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
         }
 
         // write sorted by region
@@ -128,34 +136,16 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
     {
         UnsortedMeshedSurface<face> surf(importName);
 
-        if (args.options().found("clean"))
-        {
-            surf.cleanup(true);
-            surf.checkOrientation(true);
-        }
-
-        Info << "writing " << exportName;
-        if (scaleFactor <= 0)
-        {
-            Info<< " without scaling" << endl;
-        }
-        else
-        {
-            Info<< " with scaling " << scaleFactor << endl;
-            surf.scalePoints(scaleFactor);
-        }
-
-        surf.write(exportName);
-    }
-#if 1
-    else if (args.options().found("triFace"))
-    {
-        MeshedSurface<triFace> surf(importName);
+        Info<< "Read surface:" << endl;
+        surf.writeStats(Info);
+        Info<< endl;
 
         if (args.options().found("clean"))
         {
+            Info<< "Cleaning up surface" << endl;
             surf.cleanup(true);
-            surf.checkOrientation(true);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
         }
 
         Info<< "writing " << exportName;
@@ -167,6 +157,39 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
         {
             Info<< " with scaling " << scaleFactor << endl;
             surf.scalePoints(scaleFactor);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
+        }
+        surf.write(exportName);
+    }
+#if 1
+    else if (args.options().found("triFace"))
+    {
+        MeshedSurface<triFace> surf(importName);
+
+        Info<< "Read surface:" << endl;
+        surf.writeStats(Info);
+        Info<< endl;
+
+        if (args.options().found("clean"))
+        {
+            Info<< "Cleaning up surface" << endl;
+            surf.cleanup(true);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
+        }
+
+        Info<< "writing " << exportName;
+        if (scaleFactor <= 0)
+        {
+            Info<< " without scaling" << endl;
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            Info<< " with scaling " << scaleFactor << endl;
+            surf.scalePoints(scaleFactor);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
         }
         surf.write(exportName);
     }
@@ -175,10 +198,16 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
     {
         MeshedSurface<face> surf(importName);
 
+        Info<< "Read surface:" << endl;
+        surf.writeStats(Info);
+        Info<< endl;
+
         if (args.options().found("clean"))
         {
+            Info<< "Cleaning up surface" << endl;
             surf.cleanup(true);
-            surf.checkOrientation(true);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
         }
 
         Info<< "writing " << exportName;
@@ -190,6 +219,8 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
         {
             Info<< " with scaling " << scaleFactor << endl;
             surf.scalePoints(scaleFactor);
+            surf.writeStats(Info);
+            Info<< endl;
         }
         surf.write(exportName);
     }
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.C b/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.C
index bbf4237b9f..04a41a9ed3 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.C
@@ -420,13 +420,26 @@ Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::~MeshedSurface()
 // * * * * * * * * * * * * * Private Member Functions  * * * * * * * * * * * //
 
 template<class Face>
-void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::onePatch()
+void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::onePatch(const word& name)
 {
+    word patchName(name);
+    if (!patchName.size())
+    {
+        if (patches_.size() >= 1)
+        {
+            patchName = patches_[0].name();
+        }
+        if (!patchName.size())
+        {
+            patchName = "patch0";
+        }
+    }
+
     // set single default patch
     patches_.setSize(1);
     patches_[0] = surfGroup
     (
-        "patch0",
+        patchName,
         size(),         // patch size
         0,              // patch start
         0               // patch index
@@ -438,9 +451,12 @@ template<class Face>
 void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::checkPatches()
 {
     // extra safety, ensure we have at some patches,
-    // and they cover all the faces
-    // fix start silently
-    if (patches_.size() > 1)
+    // and they cover all the faces - fix start silently
+    if (patches_.size() <= 1)
+    {
+        onePatch();
+    }
+    else
     {
         label count = 0;
         forAll(patches_, patchI)
@@ -455,8 +471,7 @@ void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::checkPatches()
             (
                 "MeshedSurface::checkPatches()\n"
             )
-                << "more nFaces " << size()
-                << " than patches " << count
+                << "more face " << size() << " than patches " << count
                 << " ... extending final patch"
                 << endl;
 
@@ -468,25 +483,10 @@ void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::checkPatches()
             (
                 "MeshedSurface::checkPatches()\n"
             )
-                << "more patches " << count
-                << " than nFaces " << size()
+                << "more patches " << count << " than faces " << size()
                 << exit(FatalError);
         }
     }
-    else if (patches_.size() == 1)
-    {
-        // like onePatch, but preserve the name
-        patches_[0].size() = size();
-        patches_[0].start() = 0;
-        if (!patches_[0].name().size())
-        {
-            patches_[0].name() = "patch0";
-        }
-    }
-    else
-    {
-        onePatch();
-    }
 }
 
 
@@ -529,38 +529,52 @@ void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::sortFacesAndStore
 
 
 template<class Face>
-void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::remapRegions(List<label>& faceMap)
+void Foam::MeshedSurface<Face>::remapFaces
+(
+    const UList<label>& faceMap
+)
 {
     // recalculate the patch start/size
-    if (faceMap.size())
+    if (&faceMap && faceMap.size())
     {
-        label newFaceI = 0;
-        label oldPatchEnd = 0;
-        forAll(patches_, patchI)
+        if (patches_.size() == 0)
         {
-            surfGroup& p = patches_[patchI];
-
-            // adjust patch start
-            p.start() = newFaceI;
-            oldPatchEnd += p.size();
-
-            for (label faceI = newFaceI; faceI < faceMap.size(); ++faceI)
+            onePatch();
+        }
+        else if (patches_.size() == 1)
+        {
+            // optimized for one-patch case
+            patches_[0].size() = faceMap.size();
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            label newFaceI = 0;
+            label oldPatchEnd = 0;
+            forAll(patches_, patchI)
             {
-                if (faceMap[faceI] < oldPatchEnd)
-                {
-                    ++newFaceI;
-                }
-                else
-                {
-                    break;
-                }
-            }
+                surfGroup& p = patches_[patchI];
 
-            // adjust patch size
-            p.size() = newFaceI - p.start();
+                // adjust patch start
+                p.start() = newFaceI;
+                oldPatchEnd += p.size();
+
+                for (label faceI = newFaceI; faceI < faceMap.size(); ++faceI)
+                {
+                    if (faceMap[faceI] < oldPatchEnd)
+                    {
+                        ++newFaceI;
+                    }
+                    else
+                    {
+                        break;
+                    }
+                }
+
+                // adjust patch size
+                p.size() = newFaceI - p.start();
+            }
         }
     }
-    faceMap.clear();
 }
 
 // * * * * * * * * * * * * Protected Member Functions  * * * * * * * * * * * //
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.H b/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.H
index cd172db814..dcef0c50b0 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.H
+++ b/src/surfMesh/MeshedSurface/MeshedSurface.H
@@ -113,7 +113,7 @@ protected:
         );
 
         //- Set new regions from faceMap
-        virtual void remapRegions(List<label>& faceMap);
+        virtual void remapFaces(const UList<label>& faceMap);
 
 public:
 
@@ -255,8 +255,8 @@ public:
             return patches_;
         }
 
-        //- set a single patch
-        void onePatch();
+        //- set a single patch, optionally with a specific name
+        void onePatch(const word& name = word::null);
 
         //- add patches
         void addPatches
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.C b/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.C
index 94c8ac2349..6c4337e3b2 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.C
@@ -25,8 +25,8 @@ License
 \*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
 
 #include "PrimitiveMeshedSurface.H"
+#include "boundBox.H"
 #include "mergePoints.H"
-
 // * * * * * * * * * * * * * Static Member Functions * * * * * * * * * * * * //
 
 template<class Face>
@@ -214,7 +214,7 @@ bool Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::stitchFaces
                 << " faces" << endl;
         }
         faceLst.setSize(newFaceI);
-        remapRegions(faceMap);
+        remapFaces(faceMap);
     }
     faceMap.clear();
 
@@ -374,7 +374,7 @@ bool Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::checkFaces
         }
 
         faceLst.setSize(newFaceI);
-        remapRegions(faceMap);
+        remapFaces(faceMap);
     }
     faceMap.clear();
 
@@ -386,53 +386,110 @@ bool Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::checkFaces
 
 template<class Face>
 Foam::label Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::triangulate()
+{
+    return triangulate
+    (
+        const_cast<List<label>&>(List<label>::null())
+    );
+}
+
+
+template<class Face>
+Foam::label Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::triangulate
+(
+    List<label>& faceMapOut
+)
 {
     label nTri = 0;
+    label maxTri = 0;  // the maximum number of triangles for any single face
     List<Face>& faceLst = this->storedFaces();
 
-    // determine how many triangles are needed
+    // determine how many triangles will be needed
     forAll(faceLst, faceI)
     {
-        nTri += faceLst[faceI].size() - 2;
+        const label n = faceLst[faceI].nTriangles();
+        if (maxTri < n)
+        {
+            maxTri = n;
+        }
+        nTri += n;
     }
 
     // nothing to do
     if (nTri <= faceLst.size())
     {
+        if (&faceMapOut)
+        {
+            faceMapOut.clear();
+        }
         return 0;
     }
 
     List<Face>  newFaces(nTri);
-    List<label> faceMap(nTri);
+    List<label> faceMap;
+
+    // reuse storage from optional faceMap
+    if (&faceMapOut)
+    {
+        faceMap.transfer(faceMapOut);
+    }
+    faceMap.setSize(nTri);
 
     // remember the number of *additional* faces
     nTri -= faceLst.size();
 
-    label newFaceI = 0;
-    forAll(faceLst, faceI)
+    if (this->points().size() == 0)
     {
-        const Face& f = faceLst[faceI];
-        triFace fTri;
-
-        // Do simple face triangulation around f[0].
-        // we could also use face::triangulation, but that requires points
-        // and doesn't currently template nicely
-        fTri[0] = f[0];
-        for (label fp = 1; fp < f.size() - 1; ++fp)
+        // triangulate without points
+        // simple face triangulation around f[0]
+        label newFaceI = 0;
+        forAll(faceLst, faceI)
         {
-            label fp1 = (fp + 1) % f.size();
+            const Face& f = faceLst[faceI];
 
-            fTri[1] = f[fp];
-            fTri[2] = f[fp1];
+            for (label fp = 1; fp < f.size() - 1; ++fp)
+            {
+                label fp1 = (fp + 1) % f.size();
 
-            newFaces[newFaceI] = fTri;
-            faceMap[newFaceI] = faceI;
-            newFaceI++;
+                newFaces[newFaceI] = triFace(f[0], f[fp], f[fp1]);
+                faceMap[newFaceI] = faceI;
+                newFaceI++;
+            }
+        }
+    }
+    else
+    {
+        // triangulate with points
+        List<face> tmpTri(maxTri);
+
+        label newFaceI = 0;
+        forAll(faceLst, faceI)
+        {
+            // 'face' not '<Face>'
+            const face& f = faceLst[faceI];
+
+            label nTmp;
+            f.triangles(this->points(), nTmp, tmpTri);
+            for (label triI = 0; triI < nTmp; triI++)
+            {
+                newFaces[newFaceI] = Face
+                (
+                    static_cast<UList<label>&>(tmpTri[triI])
+                );
+                faceMap[newFaceI] = faceI;
+                newFaceI++;
+            }
         }
     }
 
     faceLst.transfer(newFaces);
-    remapRegions(faceMap);
+    remapFaces(faceMap);
+
+    // optionally return the faceMap
+    if (&faceMapOut)
+    {
+        faceMapOut.transfer(faceMap);
+    }
     faceMap.clear();
 
     // Topology can change because of renumbering
@@ -443,12 +500,19 @@ Foam::label Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::triangulate()
 
 // dummy implementation to avoid a pure virtual class
 template<class Face>
-void Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::remapRegions(List<label>& faceMap)
+void Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::remapFaces(const UList<label>&)
 {
-    faceMap.clear();
 }
 
 
+template<class Face>
+void Foam::PrimitiveMeshedSurface<Face>::writeStats(Ostream& os) const
+{
+    os  << "points      : " << this->points().size() << nl
+        << (this->isTri() ? "triangles   : " : "faces       : ")
+        << this->size() << nl
+        << "boundingBox : " << boundBox(this->points()) << endl;
+}
 
 // * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Member Operators  * * * * * * * * * * * * * //
 
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.H b/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.H
index 0c6ef85eae..602bc9fc68 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.H
+++ b/src/surfMesh/PrimitiveMeshedSurface/PrimitiveMeshedSurface.H
@@ -85,7 +85,7 @@ protected:
         }
 
         //- Set new regions/patches from faceMap
-        virtual void remapRegions(List<label>& faceMap);
+        virtual void remapFaces(const UList<label>& faceMap);
 
 public:
 
@@ -94,6 +94,7 @@ public:
         //- Face storage only handles triangulated faces
         inline static bool isTri();
 
+
     // Constructors
 
         //- Construct null
@@ -154,8 +155,19 @@ public:
 
         //- Triangulate in-place
         //  Returning the number of triangles added
+        //  Optionally returning a map of original face Ids (zero-sized when
+        //  no triangulation was done)
         virtual label triangulate();
 
+        //- Triangulate in-place, setting a map of original face Ids
+        //  faceMap is zero-sized when no triangulation was done
+        virtual label triangulate(List<label>& faceMap);
+
+
+    // Write
+
+        void writeStats(Ostream& os) const;
+
 };
 
 
@@ -175,6 +187,18 @@ inline label PrimitiveMeshedSurface<triFace>::triangulate()
     return 0;
 }
 
+//- Specialization for holding triangulated information
+template<>
+inline label PrimitiveMeshedSurface<triFace>::triangulate(List<label>& faceMap)
+{
+    if (&faceMap)
+    {
+        faceMap.clear();
+    }
+
+    return 0;
+}
+
 // * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * //
 
 } // End namespace Foam
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.C b/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.C
index 935f6d862c..9ab97c2ec4 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.C
@@ -301,14 +301,27 @@ Foam::UnsortedMeshedSurface<Face>::~UnsortedMeshedSurface()
 // * * * * * * * * * * * * Protected Member Functions  * * * * * * * * * * * //
 
 template<class Face>
-void Foam::UnsortedMeshedSurface<Face>::onePatch()
+void Foam::UnsortedMeshedSurface<Face>::onePatch(const word& name)
 {
     regions_.setSize(size());
     regions_ = 0;
 
+    word patchName(name);
+    if (!patchName.size())
+    {
+        if (patches_.size() >= 1)
+        {
+            patchName = patches_[0].name();
+        }
+        if (!patchName.size())
+        {
+            patchName = "patch0";
+        }
+    }
+
     // set single default patch
     patches_.setSize(1);
-    patches_[0] = surfPatchIdentifier("patch0", 0);
+    patches_[0] = surfPatchIdentifier(patchName, 0);
 }
 
 
@@ -383,18 +396,34 @@ void Foam::UnsortedMeshedSurface<Face>::setPatches
 
 
 template<class Face>
-void Foam::UnsortedMeshedSurface<Face>::remapRegions(List<label>& faceMap)
+void Foam::UnsortedMeshedSurface<Face>::remapFaces
+(
+    const UList<label>& faceMap
+)
 {
     // re-assign the region Ids
-    if (faceMap.size())
+    if (&faceMap && faceMap.size())
     {
-        forAll(faceMap, faceI)
+        if (patches_.size() == 0)
         {
-            faceMap[faceI] = regions_[faceMap[faceI]];
+            onePatch();
+        }
+        else if (patches_.size() == 1)
+        {
+            // optimized for one-patch case
+            regions_ = 0;
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            List<label> newRegions(faceMap.size());
+
+            forAll(faceMap, faceI)
+            {
+                newRegions[faceI] = regions_[faceMap[faceI]];
+            }
+            regions_.transfer(newRegions);
         }
-        regions_.transfer(faceMap);
     }
-    faceMap.clear();
 }
 
 
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.H b/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.H
index 848f6426a7..8daeefa551 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.H
+++ b/src/surfMesh/UnsortedMeshedSurface/UnsortedMeshedSurface.H
@@ -125,7 +125,7 @@ protected:
         }
 
         //- Set new regions from faceMap
-        virtual void remapRegions(List<label>& faceMap);
+        virtual void remapFaces(const UList<label>& faceMap);
 
 public:
 
@@ -281,7 +281,8 @@ public:
         List<surfGroup> sortedRegions(labelList& faceMap) const;
 
         //- Set regions to 0 and set a single patch
-        void onePatch();
+        //  Optionally with a specific name
+        void onePatch(const word& name = word::null);
 
         //- Set regions and patches
         void setPatches(const surfGroupList&);
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/ac3d/AC3DsurfaceFormat.C b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/ac3d/AC3DsurfaceFormat.C
index acf9f93576..7d4c5da2f2 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/ac3d/AC3DsurfaceFormat.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/ac3d/AC3DsurfaceFormat.C
@@ -114,7 +114,7 @@ bool Foam::fileFormats::AC3DsurfaceFormat<Face>::read
     for (label patchI = 0; patchI < nPatches; ++patchI)
     {
         names[patchI] = word("patch") + Foam::name(patchI);
-        
+
         args = cueToOrDie(is, "OBJECT", "while reading " + names[patchI]);
 
         // number of vertices for this patch
@@ -223,20 +223,13 @@ bool Foam::fileFormats::AC3DsurfaceFormat<Face>::read
 
                     if (mustTriangulate && f.size() > 3)
                     {
-                        triFace fTri;
-
-                        // simple face triangulation about f[0].
-                        // cannot use face::triangulation
-                        // since points are incomplete
-                        fTri[0] = verts[0];
-                        for (label fp1 = 1; fp1 < verts.size() - 1; ++fp1)
+                        // simple face triangulation about f[0]
+                        // points may be incomplete
+                        for (label fp1 = 1; fp1 < f.size() - 1; ++fp1)
                         {
-                            label fp2 = (fp1 + 1) % verts.size();
+                            label fp2 = (fp1 + 1) % f.size();
 
-                            fTri[1] = verts[fp1];
-                            fTri[2] = verts[fp2];
-
-                            dynFaces.append(fTri);
+                            dynFaces.append(triFace(f[0], f[fp1], f[fp2]));
                             sizes[patchI]++;
                         }
                     }
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/obj/OBJsurfaceFormat.C b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/obj/OBJsurfaceFormat.C
index 2cce7a7a8f..6761d48a94 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/obj/OBJsurfaceFormat.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/obj/OBJsurfaceFormat.C
@@ -178,19 +178,13 @@ bool Foam::fileFormats::OBJsurfaceFormat<Face>::read
 
             if (mustTriangulate && f.size() > 3)
             {
-                triFace fTri;
-
-                // simple face triangulation about f[0].
-                // Cannot use face::triangulation since points are incomplete
-                fTri[0] = f[0];
+                // simple face triangulation about f[0]
+                // points may be incomplete
                 for (label fp1 = 1; fp1 < f.size() - 1; fp1++)
                 {
                     label fp2 = (fp1 + 1) % f.size();
 
-                    fTri[1] = f[fp1];
-                    fTri[2] = f[fp2];
-
-                    dynFaces.append(fTri);
+                    dynFaces.append(triFace(f[0], f[fp1], f[fp2]));
                     dynRegions.append(regionI);
                     dynSizes[regionI]++;
                 }
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/off/OFFsurfaceFormat.C b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/off/OFFsurfaceFormat.C
index 0e00e3db8f..336ee0b658 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/off/OFFsurfaceFormat.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/off/OFFsurfaceFormat.C
@@ -126,18 +126,13 @@ bool Foam::fileFormats::OFFsurfaceFormat<Face>::read
 
             if (mustTriangulate && f.size() > 3)
             {
-                triFace fTri;
-
-                // simple face triangulation about f[0].
-                fTri[0] = f[0];
+                // simple face triangulation about f[0]
+                // cannot use face::triangulation (points may be incomplete)
                 for (label fp1 = 1; fp1 < f.size() - 1; fp1++)
                 {
                     label fp2 = (fp1 + 1) % f.size();
 
-                    fTri[1] = f[fp1];
-                    fTri[2] = f[fp2];
-
-                    dynFaces.append(fTri);
+                    dynFaces.append(triFace(f[0], f[fp1], f[fp2]));
                 }
             }
             else
diff --git a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/starcd/STARCDsurfaceFormat.C b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/starcd/STARCDsurfaceFormat.C
index 29d880bf8a..49e48578f5 100644
--- a/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/starcd/STARCDsurfaceFormat.C
+++ b/src/surfMesh/surfaceFormats/starcd/STARCDsurfaceFormat.C
@@ -190,7 +190,7 @@ bool Foam::fileFormats::STARCDsurfaceFormat<Face>::read
             {
                 face f(vertices);
 
-                faceList triFaces(f.nTriangles(this->points()));
+                faceList triFaces(f.nTriangles());
                 label nTri = 0;
                 f.triangles(this->points(), nTri, triFaces);